转帖:印度 警惕 过度 依靠 CAD 软件 将 导致 基础设计 人才 缺失! ------我们呢？
在网上看到的，前几天去了一个培训学校，培训 机械设计 讲师是 研究生毕业 讲 UG |solidworks |ProE，只会操作软件就会机械设计了？正文：
印度的工程师们担心，年轻的同事们太专注于软件，这将导致缺乏成为一名优秀设计工程师所需要的基础工程设计知识。
这要规咎于印度专注于IT和软件外包、印度的教育体系、CAD设计人员的薪水高，甚至要怪软件供应商自己。不管是什么原因，印度有一部分机械设计师因那些他们称为“缺少成为优秀机械设计工程师所必需具有的技能”的年轻人进入这个领域而被困扰。
最近，这个话题刺激了在LinkedIn上机械设计工程师论坛小组成员们的神经，当惠而浦公司(Whirlpool)的一位的高级设计工程师Deepak Sharma，质疑年轻的工程师们是否更关心软件的学习而不是核心原理的时候。
“我们可以找到一个会用这个软件的工程师。但他却不了解标准和GD&T[几何尺寸与公差]。他能够仅仅模拟出一个三维模型，并表示设计已经完成”，这是Abeeraj R.在LinkedIn上的回帖。
“我已经很少很少碰到了解牛顿运动定律的人了。这似乎是对物理工程完全缺乏兴趣。此外，我们的工程技术课程的内容从来没有超出梁的弯曲。” Abhijit Amdekar在贴中指出。
其它回贴表示赞同——将直接责任归咎于印度的教育体系，并指出大多数工程教学计划重点关于教会软件工具，而不是基本原理。有些人提出，许多高等教育学校从未有过任何实际的机械设计，甚至没有资格去教这门课。 “就像一个解剖学教授去教人如何做外科手术”，其中有一条评论这样嘲讽到。
其它人责怪软件销售商，认为营销人员试图让人认为通过学习软件，你就奇迹般地成为了一名设计工程师。
“只懂得CAD软件的新手工程师永远不可能成为优秀的设计工程师。他们需要正确的训练、正确的经验并且更重要的是正确的态度和进入这一行业的能力。”C H Kewswani在帖子中指出，在如今的快速发展经济环境里，正确的训练和经验并是不那么容易取得的。
Rahul Dhinakaran是一名机械设计工程师，他有自己的公司——Kalki机械原型私人有限公司，一家位于印度泰米尔纳德邦马杜赖的生产特殊用途的机器制造商。 “我们在学校的时候从来没有上过深入机械设计的课。从学校出来之后，现实情况完全不同，我们用到的只是在学校学到的一小部分内容。其余的则是靠经验。所有机械设计工程师应该开始从车间学徒开始，在开始学习CAD软件之前要了解行业”。
Dhinakaran告诉EE Times记者，他很幸运有自己的初创公司，从而能早一点启动项目，这样使得他能做一些实际的设计工作。“对于处在早期阶段的初创公司而言，首批项目通常是CAD转换或2D到3D建模。”他说， “这是很无聊的东西，尽管用它们支付了公司的账单。我不想被卡在那里，因为做为一家工程设计公司，我认为它会限制我们的成长”。
Dhinakaran认为，现在的年轻工程师迷恋软件。但他认为这种恋情将会发生变化。“我认为，相比好的旧式工程设计，年轻的工程师们对软件工具(如ProE)更感兴趣，这是真的。但是，这主要是因为他们用CAD比在合适的工程车间能得到更高的工资”他说。“但是，这并不意味着印度将突然失去所有的机械设计工程师而成为一个CAD专家泛滥的地方。薪水级别的差异必然在几年内缩小差距，然后，我们将看到一些非常出色的工程师做有品质的工作”。
位于印度浦那的Neubauplan机器设计公司，其老板Harshwardhan Gupta是一位拥有超过30年经验的复杂机械设计工程师，他也热切希望事情能这样发展。他相信，强大的机械设计能力对于印度的制造经济而言是必可少的，他担心如果没有出色的机械设计工程师，印度将会落后且没办法和韩国这类小国及台湾进行竞争，后者一直以来都致力于改善这一领域的技能。然而，如今印度没有下层结构来鼓励对机械设计有兴趣和才能的学生。
在其一篇名为《机械设计：印度的盲点》的文章中，Gupta指出，“印度有少数优秀的机械设计工程师，但其数量相对于像印度这样经济以工业为基础的大国来讲是微不足道的。”
Gupta的看法是扩大LinkedIn机械设计师论坛的深度和影响力，最终与印度的决策者和行业领袖手拉手地加大投资，以打造一批熟练的机械设计工程师。通过对LinkedIn热烈的讨论来判断，印度的机械设计工程师们已被激励帮助实现这一目标。
Where are all the good machine designers?
by Karen Field
Engineers in India fret that younger colleagues are too focused on software, lacking the basic engineering knowledge required to be good designers
Blame it on India's focus on IT and software outsourcing. Blame it on the education system. Blame it on the high salaries for CAD designers, or even on the software vendors themselves. Whatever the cause, some machine designers in India are troubled by what they say is a shortage of young people coming into the field with the necessary skills to be good machine designers.
The topic struck a nerve recently among members of the Machine Designers Forum Group on LinkedIn, when Deepak Sharma, a Senior Design Engineer at Whirlpool, questioned whether young engineers were concentrating more on learning software than the core principles.
"We can find an engineer who knows the software. But he is not aware of the standards and GD&T . He can simulate just a 3D model and say the design is completed," Abeeraj R. posted in his response on LinkedIn.
"I have met very, very few who have understood Newton's Laws of Motion. There seems to be total apathy towards physical engineering. Besides, our engineering curriculum has never gone beyond bending of beams," posted Abhijit Amdekar.
Other respondents agreed--putting the squarely blame on India's educational system and pointing out that many of the engineering programs focus on teaching software tools, not first principles. Some suggested that many academics, having never actually designed any machinery, weren't even qualified to teach the subject. "Like a professor of anatomy teaching someone how to do surgery," was one scoffing comment.
Others blamed the software sellers themselves, suggesting that the marketers try to make it seem as though by learning the software, you magically become a design engineer.
"Fresh engineers can never be good design engineers with knowledge of only CAD software. They need the right training, right experience and more important the right attitude and aptitude to enter this profession," posted C H Kewswani, noting that the right training and experience are not so easy to acquire in today's fast-moving economy.
Rahul Dhinakaran, a mechanical engineer who owns his own company, Kalki Mechanical Prototypes Private Limited, a maker of special-purpose machines in Madurai, Tamilnadu,India, agreed. "We are never taught anything close to machine design in Institutes. After coming out the reality is totally different and only a small percentage of what we learnt is used. The rest is left to experience…all mechanical engineers should start as apprentices in workshops and learn the trade before they learn CAD packages."
Dhinakaran told EE Times that he was lucky with his own startup company to get projects early on that allowed him to do some actual design work. "For early-stage startups, first projects are usually CAD conversion or 2D to 3D modeling," he says. "This is seriously boring stuff, although it pays the bills. I did not want to get stuck there as I believed it would limit us from growing as an engineering design company."
Dhinakaran believes that young engineers today are enamored by software. But he thinks that the love affair will change. "I think it's true that young engineers are more interested in software tools, such as ProE, than good old-fashioned engineering. But this is mainly because they can get a higher salary doing CAD than working in proper engineering workshops," he says. "But that doesn't mean that India is suddenly going to lose all its engineers and become a place overrun by CAD specialists. The difference in pay scale is bound to even out in a few years, and then we'll see some really excellent quality engineers doing quality work."
Harshwardhan Gupta, owner of the machine design company Neubauplan, in Pune, India, and a designer of complex machines for over 30 years, fervently hopes so. He believes that strong machine design capabilities are essential to India's manufacturing economy, and worries that without them, India will fall behind, unable to compete with small countries like Taiwan and Korea, which have been focusing on improving their own skill sets in this area. Yet no infrastructure exists in India today to encourage students with an interest in and aptitude for machine design.
In his article titled "Machine-Design: India's Blind Spot," Gupta notes that a handful of good machine-designers exist in India, but the number may be too insignificant for the health of the industry-based economy of a huge country like India.
His vision is to expand the reach and influence of the Machine Designer's Forum on LinkedIn, ultimately working hand-in-hand with Indian policymakers and industry leaders to invest more heavily in creating a skilled pool of machine designers. Judging by the animated discussion on LinkedIn, machine designers in India are motivated to help make that happen. 沙发！
zf说了，这不关我们的鸟事。 浮夸风没了？
还是整个国家浮起来了？ 我们有楼市 不怕 对，楼市也在飘，但是飘得快！哈哈 我们要飞到天上去，把神仙挤到地面上来。 简单点说就是：设计人员沦落为描图员、打字员……
但黄土高原能栽种出一茬接一茬的参天红杉木吗？ 是啊，
环境能造就人，人也能造就环境！
人能破坏环境，环境也会回报你！ mark 先把铅笔削好了，在谈画图、机械设计 Auto CAD只是件工具，ProE只是件工具，UG只是件工具，一件吃饭的工具，一件开发的利器，但是仅仅这样是不够的，高手都无招胜有招，随心发挥。 我们还没到印度的发展高度，我们的学生有几个毕业了能熟练用这些工具的呀？ 。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。 机械@模具会UG/SW/PROE就如同电子会51/PIC/avr/430/arm面广点好挣钱 mark 学习楼上，mark这篇文章， 以前熟练CAD
熟悉SolidWork的路过 应不用过于担心,这只是普通人的一种惯性误解.
懂CAD不代表会设计.会设计的不一定会用CAD,根本两个不同岗位.
<Design Engineering>,<draftsman>工资相差十倍,八倍,不等...
要求会SW,Pro Eng,AutoCAD,两千元能随时在一般技校找到.
找个会设计的,基本需具备十年八年接触机械经验,不会用CAD亦没有多大关系.
在行内25多年得出来一个结论,一个优秀设计的,40%是天份,40%是后期多接触经验,20%对事物乐观.
现今软件确是带给我们不少方便,败点是影响了不少人习惯不动脑思巧! 正在重新学习使用autocad，虽然我一直是个纯粹的电工。。。。 按照这说法,阿莫应将加工中心拆掉,用锉刀来生产雕刻机.当然,造出来的雕刻机只供观赏和研究,不应拿来作实际加工,以免造成基础设计人才的流失.
愚蠢之极.不过阿三蠢我很高兴.人才缺是因为缺乏产业目标,或者说没有核心技术.人家问他:你们做这个的目的是什么?答目:我们做这个的目的是赚钱.生活也一样,以赚钱为最终目标的结果就是被赚钱. rainyss 发表于 2010-7-25 23:34 static/image/common/back.gif
按照这说法,阿莫应将加工中心拆掉,用锉刀来生产雕刻机.当然,造出来的雕刻机只供观赏和研究,不应拿来作实际 ...
楼上的明显语文不好，呵呵 我的理解是这社会的发展还没到种层次！还没有大量需要那种创意设计的公司！目前很多都是相应国外的设计公司！
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